what do you make of this comment?

Posted by yamsmos on July 9, 2009 · Under News · View Comments 

reported by romero over at the times…. by montero after the game on the PK… it must be noted that this is a translation from spanish (not to say that means it is inaccurate) but it doesn’t account for different phrases or terminology that may be translated differently.

Question: How did the play in which you drew the penalty develop?
FM: “I got a pass from Stephen King. My intention was to bring the keeper out. He left the goal, I think you know the standards a South American player has, and in the last minute that was the best choice to get a goal. And thank God we got the good fortune to get the goal.”

so i don’t think we should be knee jerk over this but it doesn’t sound very good does it?

some of the posters over at the times are saying  that maybe he was describing the situation where he was expecting contact, and that isn’t the same as a dive. i tend to agree with that, and there is a subtle difference.

i was at the game and i have seen the replay on the sounders site many times and every time i see it i think penalty. the problem with soccer, all around the world, is that in a scenario like that, when the keeper clips the feet, if the player goes down, then penalty, if the player tries to stay on his feet, and stumbles a bit but ultimately stays up, then no penalty. what will 99% of any player anywhere in the world do? well they aren’t going to give it 100% effort to stay up, i can tell you that. it is a problem with the rule, but unfortunately, it can get taken way to far by the players.

so in this case, i really think montero got clipped, and i really think that he didn’t do everything he could to stay on his feet. this play has always been a penalty and it is great when it is for you, and it sucks when it is against.

anyway, after not trying to over analyze it, may just have done that. i would suggest that fredy do learn a different way of describing the play than the words he selected above though, b/c even with my blue and green glasses on, it doesn’t sound good.

  • Doug S.

    Sounds like you’d like to live in a perfect world. Me too. But it ain’t, so you deal with the reality.

    Diving is part of the game. It will continue to be an IMPORTANT part of the game for as long as FIFA, in it’s infinite wisdom, decides to not eliminate it by putting rules into affect that will actually stop it. I have no problem with Montero calling it like it is if, in fact, that’s what he was doing. I find that honesty refreshing. I suspect the league and refs will too.

    Just so you know, every time I see a player on the turf, rolling in pain, require a stretcher, and then get up on the sideline, jump up and down and demand to get in…. I scream. At the ref, at an unfair world, at the player. It’s a yellow card. Period. But again, unless FIFA is willing to do something substantial to stop it, it just goes on and on and on. Shamefully, our players have now picked up the art of the stall.

    It’s part of the game, we all need to get over it or demand that FIFA do something about it. Good luck with that.

    yamsmos Reply:

    doug, 

    not trying to be combative here…. but honestly, not sure what you are saying.

    is your position that diving is just part over the game so i should just get over it?

    or are you saying it is terrible and it should be a yellow card? it seems like you get as frustrated as i do.

    i agree with a lot of what you are saying, but it doesn’t sound like you totally resolved whether it is part of the game, or if you think it should be a yellow card.

    for me, regardless if it is the state of the football game right now, i will not accept it. i hate when it is done against my team, and i hate (maybe even more) when one of my players does it.

  • http://webpages.charter.net/artesian Artesian

    After getting screwed on two clear PK warranted non-calls I don’t care. Bravo Fredy!

  • The Wallace

    I saw a photo this mourning that shows pretty clearly that the keeper played the man and not the ball. Now I wasnt at the match, but the next question is was the ball that FM played around the keeper playable?

  • DaveS

    It sounds to me like he was just trying to bring the keeper away from the goal to create an opportunity.  I don’t see anything in that quote that sounds like he is implying that he was going to fake a penalty situation… maybe I’m not reading between the lines correctly?

  • Ben R

    Reminds me of the PK at the end of the Australia v. Italy game in the world cup.  Ours was less questionable, yet every referee stands behind the call for Italy’s PK.  There’s a difference between drawing a foul and diving.  And I have less sympathy given the fact that the keepers tackle was made by his hands.  I understand feet getting caught up with players, but hands are a bit more dexterous and he was no where close to getting the ball.

  • Ben R

    Also, whether or not Montero had an obvious goal scoring opportunity or not has more to do with whether or not the keeper deserves a red card or not.  Contact like that is always a foul.

  • Aaron

    I think it’s dangerous to read too much into any translated statement.  When he says ‘that’ was the best choice to get a goal, was he referring to staying aggressive and attacking the keeper head-on?  Was he referring to going down at first contact? 

    Trying to discern the object of ‘that’ can be tricky when English is your first language, and downright impossible through an interpreter…

  • DaveS

    I think the video shows that Montero didn’t go down until the instant in that photo when his right foot went down… he was tripped.

  • rob c

    ‘south american standard” means dancing with the ball. he wasn’t talking about taking a dive. he was talking about how south americans are excellent dribblers. he was talking how he got around the keeper with the ball. a move most in the mls can’t do.

    yamsmos Reply:

    i think you are right, but the way he was translated, and this is not montero’s fault at all, but the way he was translated, it could easily be read differently.

  • Nevtelen

    Plus, at least in the video, it looks like once Montero got past the keeper, he had a totally clear look at the goal, with no other player able to stop him. If he hadn’t been tripped, why dive when he could have taken one more step and buried it in the back of the net? No stress of taking a PK, easy goal, no controversy, no chance of the ref letting another foul go (which he had been). For me, that tends to make it more probable that he really was tripped up.

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