A Look at Sounders’ Fouls & Cards

Posted by Mike on July 29, 2009 · Under Discipline · View Comments 

Freddie Ljungberg received a red card against the Chicago Fire (Rod Mar photo)

As we are in the midst of the All Star “break” I decided to take a look at something that had been noted after Freddie Ljungberg’s red card on Saturday; that the Sounders get fouled… a whole lot.

Seattle is also currently tied for the lead in MLS with the New York Red Bulls in having accumulated six red cards. On top of that, the boys in Rave Green are 2nd in Yellow Card Accumulation with 41 cautions (the ‘Quakes have 43).

However, what is interesting is that Seattle currently sits directly in the middle of the pack for Fouls Committed with 217. Seven clubs have fouled more, seven have fouled less.

In Fouls Suffered, the Sounders, by far, lead MLS with 239. There is a large cluster in the #2-7 range at 215-205 fouls suffered.

So Seattle has been fouled239 times, but they have only been whistled 217 times themselves. The second most fouled team, Chicago has only been whistled for a league-low 153 fouls.

The Sounders are 1 of 4 teams to have suffered more fouls than committed.

Now going back to the Cards, Seattle’s 6 Reds account for 2.76% of the squad’s Fouls Committed (which leads the league).

The 41 Yellows handed to the Sounders makes up 18.89% of the Fouls Suffered which is the 4th highest.

So what does this mean? Does Seattle retaliate, and retaliate hard? Is it uneven officiating? What do you think?

Sortable Data Below… (Through 7/27)

TEAM FC FS FS/FC Yellow Y/FC (%) Red R/FC (%)
New York Red Bulls 246 214 0.87 28 11.38% 6 2.44%
Los Angeles Galaxy 240 211 0.88 30 12.50% 5 2.08%
Houston Dynamo 234 205 0.88 34 14.53% 1 0.43%
Toronto FC 204 172 0.84 30 14.71% 0 0.00%
Columbus Crew 219 212 0.97 34 15.53% 4 1.83%
FC Dallas 172 209 1.22 28 16.28% 3 1.74%
D.C. United 226 182 0.81 37 16.37% 2 0.88%
Kansas City Wizards 194 191 0.98 32 16.49% 3 1.55%
Chivas USA 244 167 0.68 41 16.80% 3 1.23%
New England Revolution 164 184 1.12 28 17.07% 1 0.61%
Colorado Rapids 192 174 0.91 35 18.23% 0 0.00%
Seattle Sounders FC 217 239 1.10 41 18.89% 6 2.76%
San Jose Earthquakes 222 173 0.78 43 19.37% 1 0.45%
Chicago Fire 153 215 1.41 30 19.61% 3 1.96%
Real Salt Lake 199 174 0.87 40 20.10% 5 2.51%

  • DaveS

    I’m not sure there is enough information to draw any conclusions.  I would be interested in seeing how what our (collective) opponents’ Y/FS% and R/FS% is.  Maybe Seattle just plays a physical game and inspires aggressive play on both sides.

  • jt

    Watching the play on the MLS All-Star, Freddie has good reason to be pissed, being kicked around in a friendly… Rodwell was Yellow carded for a tackle on FL10(8).

    As for sites, MLSNet is failing in so many ways – last update on the discipline page was 7/20!

  • jt
  • Ryan

    Ljunberg is only in the hospital for migraine, I doubt it will affect his next game’s status since he’s missing San Jose already. I would side towards the uneven officiating aspect of this issue. Did anyone notice the sign at the All-Star Game last night that read: “MLS Worst Refs In World”

  • http://seattle.theoffside.com/team-news/rave-green-links-plus-the-real-cause-of-freddies-migraines.html Rave Green Links, PLUS the Real Cause of Freddie’s Migraines – - The Offside – Seattle soccer blog MLS

    [...] also speaking of Freddie and red cards, Mike over at GoSounders has a very interesting statistical analysis of how much we’re carded vs. how much we foul/are fouled. I know it’s just stats, but [...]

  • http://oi-seattle.blogspot.com Gary

    You are probably looking at statistical noise more than anything else given the sample size (ie. total number of yellow cards). If anyone is suffering at the hands of the refs it is probably Chivas (although they are pretty dirty…)

  • http://www.youtube.com/user/K61studiosASa K61

    My theory:

    32,000 screaming (and booing) fans are putting most of these refs in unfamiliar situations.  I think many of these refs end up in a tit-for-tat mindset where they attempt to enforce fairness by saying “if I call a foul on one team, then I must keep it even and call a foul on the other team” or “if I eject a player from one team, then I’m not going to hesitate if the opportunity comes up to even the sides again.” Personally, I thought the latter was painfully obvious in the Chicago game. You almost knew that was going to happen the second Freddie showed any signs of disagreeing with the yellow.

    Another factor that I think contributes to the psychology of these numbers is that much of the league is, quite honestly, jealous of what’s happening in Seattle. We’ve got record season ticket sales, record attendance numbers overall, we were awarded MLS Cup hosting honors, and on top of all that, the team doesn’t suck like expansion teams are supposed to in their first season (recent examples: RSL and TFC). The recent comment by DC United’s owner about Seattle having “everything handed to them” when he attempted to defend his club hosting the US Open Cup final again (which it has hosted every time they’ve made the finals) illustrates this sentiment. I doubt his feelings are isolated to just him. Rather, I expect that many of the owners are probably angry, jealous, and likely even embarrassed about what’s happening in Seattle. These are powerful folks in the league and in US Soccer and we shouldn’t think for a second that it doesn’t affect things like how referees call games and how other league and federation decisions are approached.

    I think that perhaps this resentment is sometimes spilling over onto the field just a little bit. Teams are getting aggressive with us because they want no part of handing anything to Seattle for free. The refs then have to be careful to keep the game “extra even” and “extra fair” so that the opposing coaches and owners don’t complain that everything is being handed to Seattle.

    In the end, I don’t think any of this is actually that bad though. I’m not trying to push any conspiracy theories here either. The real takeaway here for Seattle fans and the team is that, especially this season, we’re going to have to work harder for everything we get. The refs are going to be a little “too fair” when they’re calling Seattle games (especially at Qwest). The US Open cup final isn’t going to be handed to us for free. We’re going to have to reach out and take it if we want it. Yeah, this may make things a little harder for us, but it also makes the successes we earn that much sweater when we achieve them. Go Sounders!

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